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Running New Thermostat Wire – It is possible that you may have to run a new thermostat wire from the air handler or furnace to the location where the existing thermostat is located. Running new thermostat wire can challenging even for professionals. If you must then following these instructions and helpful hints will hopefully help you in this endeavor. Pulling new wire should only be done as a last resort. The purpose of running new thermostat wire is necessary for certain reasons such as:
Running New Thermostat Wire
- The most obvious reason is that the new thermostat requires an additional wire and there are no other wires available in the wire bundle to use for the new thermostat. This is common so do not fret.
- Existing wire is very old and brittle which you do not trust.
- The existing wire was damaged.
- Existing wire is not long enough for the new terminations. Here is a tip that may solve the problem.
- As my late Uncle used to tell me, “Here’s an old Indian trick we can use that may solve our problem.” The keyword there is “may” solve our problem. If the wire is not long enough for a proper termination at the new thermostat then take a small piece of thermostat wire about 6 inches long and use a small wire appropriate for #18 solid wire and wire nut the short piece to the 6-inch wire. The six-inch wire should be long enough to make the proper termination and when finished you can push the wire nut back into the wall.
- Be careful when you take the thermostat off the wall especially with the wires to make sure the existing thermostat wire does not fall into the void of the wall. If that happens then you will be pulling wire whether you need to pull the new wire or not as you need the thermostat wire but it fell into the void of the wall. Just remember to be careful when you take the old t-stat loose from the wall.
- Another Indian trick for you. Before you take the old thermostat from the wall have a pencil or pen nearby. As soon as you get the wires loose and the old sub-base of the old thermostat out of the way take the pencil or pen and wrap one of the wires around it. This will prevent the t-stat wire bundle from falling back into the void of the wall and will save you lots of time and headaches of pulling a new wire or trying to get the wire that fell back out of the void.
Number of Wires in the Bundle
By now you should have figured out if you have the proper amount of wires or if any of the above conditions will necessitate you pulling thermostat conductors. It is still not too late to call a professional and let them take care of the headache.
If you are still here and reading this then you are a true DIYer and you are determined to complete this installation by yourself. Now it is time to get things right 100% because you are going to have to make a trip to the local hardware or big box store for some materials. Here is a list of some basics you will possibly need to finish the job.
Tools for the Job
Running New Thermostat Wire
- Read below for the correct type and number of conductors you will need.
- A long auger bit.
- A stud finder
- A fish tape - preferably the flexible nylon type
- A flash light
- Safety glasses
- A helper
- & lots of patience.
Running New Thermostat Wire - Important Tips
Running New Thermostat Wire – Important Tip |
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There may be someone out there thinking they will move the thermostat to another location. HighPerformanceHVAC.com wants to discourage you from doing that as your thermostat location was most likely selected by an engineer, architect, or an HVAC Master designer. The current location of the existing thermostat is the best place in the house. There is no reason to guess the experts second. Some people may think that “because I need to pull a new wire I may as well go ahead and move the thermostat to a better location”? Proper LocationThis is not a good idea as the thermostat needs to be located in an area close to the return (or where you may change your filter), on an inner wall versus a wall that experiences a heat load (outer wall), and out of direct sunlight. Another place where thermostats should not be installed is near sources of heat or sources of something that cools or blows cool air. All these things will cause problems, and you will find yourself either too hot or too cold because the thermostat will never work properly if it is not installed in the proper location inside the house. The t-stat senses temperature and the temperature of the air near the t-stat should be the temperature of the air going into the return or close to the temperature of the air going into the return. Avoid moving the t-stat as it can and often will cause serious problems and prevent you from being comfortable. It can also increase your utility bills rather than decrease them. |
Reading is Fundamental
First, you need to read the manual and determine the type of HVAC system you have and the thermostat you are installing to determine the number of wires you will need for the bundle.
The second consideration is load (outer wall), and out of direct sunlight. Another place where thermostats should not be installed near sources of heat or sources of something that cools or blows cool air. All these things will cause problems and you will find yourself either too hot or too cold because the thermostat will never work properly if it is not installed in the proper location inside the house.
Pulling the New Wire
After you get the wire and all the tools listed above then you need to fish the wire through the wall and to either the crawl space, basement, and in some cases the attic. The key is that you must get the new wire from where the t-stat is located to where the gas furnace or air handler is located.
If you are lucky then you can use the old thermostat wire and attach it to the conductor bundles securely and use the old thermostat wire bundles to pull the new thermostat wire however experience tells me that in most situations this will not be possible because usually when someone was installing the original t-stat they put a couple of staples into it to hold in place most likely before the drywall or plaster was put on the walls and the wall was simply studded.
New Installation - Need to Know
Running New Thermostat Wire
Remember it is key that you have the number of conductors needed before you pull the new conductor bundle in the wall. This is extremely important that you get it right because if you are just one wire short this will not work. For example, if you have a gas furnace with two stages of heat and an air conditioner with two stages of cooling and you are installing a digital thermostat you need to make sure of two things before pulling the conductor bundle:
- That you have the correct t-stat. The t-stat needed in this case will require two stages of heating and two stages of cooling. That is the t-stat will have a W-1 and W-2 terminal plus a Y1 and a Y2 terminal on the t-stat to properly control the equipment. The two W terminals will control the two stages of heating and the Y terminals will control the two stages of cooling.
- You have the number of conductors in the thermostat wire bundle to properly control the equipment and feed the thermostat with power. All thermostats whether powered or not have the R wire or a red wire (if your thermostat wiring follows the proper protocol) and this red wire is the 24 volts of power needed to control the air conditioner, air handler, or furnace plus it can feed the t-stat power if the 24-volt circuit is completed at the t-stat.
In this case, in addition to the 24-volt red wire, and 24-volt common wire from the transformer or terminal stripboard in the air handler or furnace also needs to run to the t-stat simply to power the digital thermostat. That termination should be done at the C terminal in the t-stat and originate at the C terminal on the control circuit board in the furnace or air handler.
Exception for RC and RH Terminals
Running New Thermostat Wire
The only exception to this is if you have split transformers for the heating and cooling systems. For example, a boiler can have its very own transformer while the air conditioning system will it’s very own thermostat located inside the air handler of the air conditioner. In this case, then the thermostat should only be fed by one power source. A choice needs to be made to use either the air conditioner or the boiler transformer and the wires identified and separated.
The thermostat also needs to have two R terminals - RC and RH - where the boiler red wire is terminated at RH and the air conditioner red wire is terminated at RC. This also means if you are going to pull a new thermostat wire you are going to have to pull a separate wire for the boiler and a separate wire for the air conditioner. The boiler is likely a two-wire bundle with a red and white wire inside the bundle with the red wire terminated at the RH terminal and the white wire terminate at the W terminal.
Running New Thermostat Wire - New Installation - Additional Resources
For more information on this subject see our article “How Can I Tell 1 or 2 Transformers for Heating Cooling System”
You can purchase new thermostat wire here.
Running New Thermostat Wire
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What do you mean, t-stat ? This term is not defined.
you state
1″That you have the correct t-stat”. with no previous mention of the term.
Many older homes were built by dad, grandpa, and the kids on the weekends. No “experts” were involved. For instance, the thermostat on one side of my duplex was located on the entry-way wall, opposite the front door, 4 feet away.
otherwise, these seem like good instructions
Thermostat = tstat. It is shortened that way for a reason. Some techs say tstat in the trade. The reason it was shortened was because the spelled out word is repetitious and search engines penalize you for repeating keywords too often. They call it keyword stuffing and it is considered keyword spam. If the tstat has worked fine where it is currently installed leave it there provided no heat loads or cool drafts can hit it. Ideally, near the filter or in the area near the filter.
how absolutely stupid can a person be?
Lighten up a little chukles!
Hi,
I had a technician coming from GreenON to install a smart thermometer in an old detached home (1955). They told me it has 3 wires only and I need to get a contractor to run a wire from the furnace. How much would that cost? thanks,
Not sure, you will have to ask them for an estimate. Everyone has different rates so it would be impossible for me to tell you.
The wires from the outside condenser up to the attic where the furnace is has gone to ground, Pulling new wires through all that is impossible. Running new wire along outside of new house is most undesirable.
Is there a good relay system to bypass physical wiring all together?
The units are about 65′ apart.
The only way to do it is to put it in some kind of conduit and is the best way to protect the wire although not the most desirable looking. You could paint the pipe the same color of the house to camouflage it some I suppose or you could run the pipe (grey PVC is UV rated) and then cover it with something matching your other gutter piping so it blends in. Here is a photo of how HVAC techs do it when they install a new condenser.
I was informed by Ecobee Support that my furnace is a 2 stage heating system and therefore a wire needs to be connected to the control board on furnace to the w2 terminal on the thermostat. What is wire ( # ) I would need to purchase?
Thank you
I would purchase 18-8 solid conductor wire. That should be plenty enough for what you have.
Do you need thermostat wire running to the outside condenser to
the thermostat and another wire running from the air hander to
the thermostat on a split system ?
Yes…………..see Thermostat Wiring Diagrams
Sir the current thermostat is located on a exterier wall? the sun from the other side of the house ( about 8 to10 ft) goes directly to theumostat. I what to move it right by the wall under the return. Am i doing the right thing? Thank you and have a great day.
It should be located on an inner wall near the filter or main return duct.